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suspected bias
"Although golf is a minor issue compared to other land-ethics questions"
Minor issue? According to the UN, golf uses 2.5 billion gallons of clean water per day, enough to provide fresh drinking water to 4.7 billion people. That's not a "minor issue". That's about as major as it gets. That's more impact on the world's resources than global warming, the Iraq War, or any other "major issue" I can think of. clarify the statement. Dreslough (talk) 08:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I think paragraph would still be information and wiki-appropriate if you removed that opening clause which is really more about bias than about stating any facts.
I wonder what the environmental impact of Golf is compared to, say, computer gaming?WhaleyTim (talk) 16:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
hyperbole
"Because golf has become the platform through which business people interact, evaluate each other, and generally talk/negotiate," ..."the platform?" really? i woulda thought most business was still conducted, y'know, at work.
Price of Golfing overexaggerated
I think the article exaggerates the cost of golf. It doesn't mention anything about earlybird or twiglight rates. The average price of golf mentioned is probably the price of golf in the middle of the day in the middle of summer on a weekend. At some courses, the price is in the high twenties even without any discounts, not in the high 30s. And you don't have to buy all the equipment to play golf. I play with normal shoes
Types of shots
add information about a "punch shot" a "punch shot" is shot that is played when the player comes acroos a situation where his/hers ball is under crowded environment(e.g bushes)and needs to put the ball back on the fairway to ensure a possible next shot. The execution of the punch shot requires stiff arms and hands and a putting stroke motion. Seven, six or even five iron is most commonly used for this shot because of its low club face angle to give it a low tragetory.
Point of view
The past few edits have been very pov.
I shall try to find a "happy medium" so to speak.
Mu Gamma 06:35, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
punch shot used when stuck under a tree low shot where you are hitting hard through the ball while keeping you hands close to the ground to keep the ball down and "punch" it back out to the fairway
In the "Handicaping" section, the following statement is present, "Professional golfers typically score several strokes below par for a round". Im not sure if this is appropriate. If you look at the scores of all players in any given professional tourney, is it true that "typically" they shoot under par? I dont think it is true at all. This is a POV issue I think. If it is agreed (or not contested)I will remove it.~~
Opposition to golf
moved from talk:particle physics. Let's discuss how to handle this:
Golf is a uniquely destructive game and has uniquely determined opponents - there is an Anarchist Golfing Association that tears up genetically-damaged grass, complaints by various NGOs that pressure to sell land to golf developers has led to farmers in the Phillipines being killed for it, that golf creates a monoculture ecology and requires massive maintenance and pesticides that destroy everything around it, and that all attempts to make it more ecologically friendly (i.e. more "rough" areas left alone, raised-bump balls that fly half as far on very small specially designed courses) have totally failed to catch on widely.
To be fair, if there are other games that have that kind of objection list, or opposition, let's hear it. If any other "game" becomes so emblematic and demonstrative of Dominator culture that it has to be destroyed, then the page on that game must reflect that controversy. Golfers don't define what golf means, and physicists don't define what particle physics means, and there must at least in both cases be links to separate articles describing the entire controversy. I'm just opening up the issue to a general discussion - when you have a field or game that seems non-controversial to its supporters but brutal and evil and wasteful to it's opponents, how should we handle it? An article on the game and a separate one on the politics? All in one place so the two groups *must* encounter each other? What?
An article on the game and a separate one on the politics, or a separate one for each political school of thought which is worth an encyclopedia article. Matthew Woodcraft
with (unethical) investing, with (amoral) purchasing, and dozens of other activities which are incompatible with the new millenium.
"Golf is uniquely distructive?" Really? Then let's replace golf courses with loud, polluting car-racing ovals. Or gun ranges that leave toxic lead in the wilderness. Or just another minimall. Please use true, specific statements instead of baseless, untrue conclusions. Golf is only distructive of the stereotypes applied to it but the unknowing.
This entire “environmental” section ought be removed because it is almost entirely an unbalanced, unsupported, untrue, off-point POV rant by an author who admits, in this discussion section, that the purpose is to “make the game go away” and not to inform the reader about the game. Why is there any ongoing discussion about “how to handle this”? If the author wants to write an article about “land-reform movements, especially in the Philippines and Indonesia” let the author do so, but let’s not pollute Wikipedia with the author’s personal political rants off-topic. Or, as an alternative, would you like me to add to the “environmental” section my own views on ill-informed activists who feel they must abuse the privilege of those (Wikipedia participants) who choose to communicate in accord with some community standards? If any user wishes to educate us on any specific instance of current, illegal, adverse environmental impact of a golf course, that is specific to the game being played there and not a rant about an alernative use the author prefers, then let's hear it. Because no one else has yet illustrated the obvious , I’ll take the time to expose the author’s violations of Wiki-policy (though an expert could do much better):
Allegation 1: “Environmental concerns over the use of land for golf courses have grown over the past 50 years.” Response 1: Environmental concerns over the use of ALL land, air and water has grown over the past 50 years. So, this rant does not belong in a golf article – it states no particular association with golf. Golf courses are no less subject to laws, regulation or misuse than is any other land and, arguably, golf courses are some of the best uses of land from an environmental view. Indeed, many communities around the world enjoy the green-space, CO2-absorbing, air-cooling, recreational, wildlife-friendly, economic positive impacts of their golf courses.
Allegation 2: Specific concerns include the amount of water and chemical pesticides and fertilizers used for maintenance, as well as the destruction of wetlands and other environmentally important areas during construction.” Response 2: The “specific” concerns are not specific to golf. Water and chemical use is a concern for all aspects of living – all farms, all household lawns and gardens, parks, roadsides, swimming pools, kitchen chemicals, laundry chemicals, disposable batteries, electronic waste etc. So, this rant does not belong in a golf article – it states no particular association with golf.
Allegation 3: “A notable toxic chemical used on golf courses is diazinon; however, this substance was banned in the United States as of the year 2004.” Response 3: Wrong again. According to Wikipedia’s own article on Diazinon, that chemical has not been used on golf courses for about 19 years. And why was its use first proscribed there and on sod farms? “because … of bird flocks that congregated in these areas”, says Wikipedia. Oh, my! The anti-golf author not only erroneously stated that diazanon is a “chemical used on golf courses” but also conveniently omitted a reference to how well golf courses actually fit into a balanced environment. The birds love it! And, when trying to concede that diazanon is now outlawed, failed to mention that golf courses were 16 years ahead of that curve. So, this rant does not belong in a golf article – it states no particular association with golf.
Allegation 4: “These, along with health and cost concerns, have led to significant research into more environmentally sound practices and turf grasses. The modern golf course superintendent is often trained in the uses of these practices and grasses. This has led to some mitigation in the amount of chemicals and water used on courses. The turf on golf courses is an excellent filter for water and has been used in many communities to cleanse grey water, such as incorporation of bioswales.” Response 4: Let
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